Defending Harry Potter


This may be preaching to the choir here in the Rabbit Room, but I wrote an article back in early July about the upcoming final Harry Potter book. I thought this would be an appropriate place to re-post it. I know for some it’s old news – most of the world knows the fate of Harry Potter by now – but the article was intended more for those unfamiliar with or suspicious of the boy wizard. Maybe like me, you’ve met people who believe that the Harry Potter stories are “demonic” or at the very least fruitless. But our family has quite enjoyed them and found them worth our while.

As I reread this article, methinks I doth protest too much… In my zeal to persuade Potter haters, I might be making more of the Potter books than is called for. Madeleine L’Engle (God rest her soul) said that she read one of the books and thought it was fine, but that there was “nothing underneath” the story. While I get what she was saying and would hesitate to say Rowling is on par with Tolkien or Lewis, we still enjoyed her books immensely and found more in them than perhaps L’Engle did. I guess at the end of the day we thought they were good clean fun.

For whatever it’s worth, here are my 2 cents:


What We’ve Learned From Harry Potter (July 3rd 2007)

While our culture braces itself for the one-two punch of not only a new Harry Potter film, but also the final book in the series about the boy wizard, I find myself thinking about what the bible has to say about magic.

Right on the heels of the movie version of “Harry Potter And The Order of The Phoenix”, the final book in J.K. Rowling’s enchanting series (pun intended), “Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows,” will hit shelves. We’ll most likely hear from the usual suspects: literary critics will say the books are lightweight. Librarians will extol the virtues of these books that have got kids reading, well, anything again. And segments of Christianity will denounce the books as endorsing the occult. (Never mind that Rowling’s books are sprinkled generously with potent Christian symbols and values – i.e. in “The Prisoner of Azkaban,” the words that Harry Potter invokes to defend himself against an onslaught of demonic tormentors are “expecto patronum,” which can be translated quite literally to “I look for a savior”. And in case that wasn’t clear enough, it is the image of a white stag – a classic literary symbol of Christ – that comes to Harry’s rescue. Never mind, too, that real life witches denounce Harry Potter almost as much as church folks do. Harry is more resilient than we thought, having survived [thus far] not only the evil Lord Voldemort, but criticisms from almost every corner of popular culture.)

Now, don’t get me wrong – having lived with a stepfather who dabbled in the occult, witchcraft is not a topic I take lightly. While I won’t go into great detail here about that part of my history, nor offer a lengthy defense of why our family loves these books, suffice it to say that we don’t feel that enjoying the world of Harry Potter in any way compromises our faith. On the contrary, we read the books together as a family and find them rich with opportunities to discuss our faith with our boys. Take for instance the most obvious theme of magic, which is usually what stirs the ire of Harry’s more religious detractors.

Having finished reading the first book, “Harry Potter and The Sorcerer’s Stone”, Taya and I seized upon the opportunity to talk with our boys about what scripture has to say about magic and witchcraft. We explained that in books like Harry Potter – as well as many fantasy books including the Chronicles of Narnia and Lord of The Rings – the author doesn’t necessarily employ magic as an endorsement of the occult, but rather as a literary device that serves to tell a larger story, which in the cases of the stories I just named is less about wizardry than it is about valor, loyalty, and even faith.

Then we read 1 Samuel 15:23 together:
“for rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft…”

And here we got to the heart of it. At its worst, magic in these stories is used to manipulate situations so that the magic user can get what he or she wants. In essence, magic used in this way is saying “my will be done”, in contrast to Christ’s example to live our lives surrendered, praying “not my will, but Thy will be done.”

But I suspect this is the very kind of rebellious “witchcraft” that we may be guilty of every day, and this kind of witchcraft should worry us more than the fictional variety in the world of Harry Potter. Isn’t the constant battle of wills between God and the human heart the chief concern of Christianity? Of all the sins we need to be delivered of, isn’t self will the most thorny and persistent? More distressing yet: how many of us if we are honest with ourselves are guilty of using religion and even the precious Word of God to manipulate situations and drive personal agendas? I know I’ve been guilty of it more often than I would like to admit, and I think it’s safe to say that the problems of self will and spiritual manipulation are still among the greater challenges that the church faces today.

This kind of subtle witchcraft is much more insidious than any of the hocus pocus that raises the hackles of well intentioned believers who might line up outside bookstores to protest the latest Harry Potter book. It’s this witchcraft that must certainly break the heart of God. If we are going to spend energy protesting the evils of magic and sorcery, it might be best spent by examining the rebellious, sorcerous intentions of our own hearts that daily seek to say “my will be done.”

At the time we read the first book, we had been living in a tiny farmhouse that was in pretty rough shape. It was a far cry from the kind of home my wife had hoped for, but the rent was ridiculously cheap and enabled us to stay in the ministry in the early years. Daily she prayed with our twin boys for our own home – nothing extravagant, but something that she felt was her own and that wasn’t overrun by mice (as our rental house was).

Closing the book and sitting on the edge of the boys’ bed, we talked about how we could have tried to get a house for ourselves, trying to make it happen any number of ways, to say “our will be done.” Instead, we chose to prayerfully seek God and wait for Him to reveal His will. Within weeks of that conversation, through an extraordinary set of circumstances we were blessed to find a wonderful house that was exactly what Taya and the boys had been praying for all those years. It was a teachable moment in their lives about the virtue of waiting on the Lord and not resorting to the subtle witchcrafts of self-will – A teachable moment delivered to our doorstep by the unlikely Harry Potter.

We’ve come to love that boy wunderkind. There is a lot of speculation about his fate in this final book. I’m hoping he survives, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up laying down his life for his friends. Either way, I’m sure it will give our family another teachable moment and a context to explore the rich mystery of what Lewis’ Aslan calls the “old magic” of Christ’s sacrificial love.

Jason Gray is a recording artist with Centricity Records. His latest single, out now, is "When I Say Yes".


  1. Jason Gray


    I hope by “this story” (in the proprietor’s comment) you don’t mean the little story I wrote…

    And sorry Pete… We could still talk about the Lord of the Rings – I still encounter believers who are suspicious of Tolkien. 🙂

  2. Shawn Parks

    I’ve had numerous discussions with a friend of mine who is wary of not just the glorification of witchcraft in the HP series, but what seems to be a philosophy of “the ends justify the means”.

    On the first point, I concede that the subject matter could theoretically lead a person to become curious and delve into the occult, but they could just as easily be driven there by other authors that Christians find “acceptable”, such as Tolkien or Lewis.

    Regarding his second concern, the characters in HP, especially Harry himself, have character flaws and outright sins. But it is those sins which allow us to relate to Harry as a human. We all make stupid, sinful choices, but hopefully we learn from them as we grow in Christ and reach a point where we don’t repeat the same stupid sins over and over again.

    As for children reading HP, reading with them would provide opportunities to discuss those troubling areas of rebellion and the consequences of our choices while showing that a person can have a positive influence on those around them in spite of their flaws.

    In the end, it is not a Christian series, but gives a Christian many opportunities to discuss the working out of faith in our everyday lives.

  3. Curt McLey

    Shawn Parks wrote:

    Regarding his second concern, the characters in HP, especially Harry himself, have character flaws and outright sins. But it is those sins which allow us to relate to Harry as a human. We all make stupid, sinful choices, but hopefully we learn from them as we grow in Christ and reach a point where we don’t repeat the same stupid sins over and over again.

    Not to mention, if believers were limited to reading only those stories featuring characters that had no sin, it would be a short list indeed. Very short. And of course it would–by definition–need to be placed in the fantasy category. Additionally, unlike some fantasy–which ring true despite falling into the fiction genre (like Harry Potter), these stories would not only be fiction, but fiction that is untrue.

    Thanks for the thoughtful post, Shawn.

  4. Jason Gray


    In response to Shawn’s comment…

    the thing that always struck me about the the HP stories (and forgive me for stating the obvious), is that it was not magic that saved the day for the characters in most (if not all) of their adventures. It was self-sacrifice, courage, loyalty, etc. What most detractors don’t consider (in my opinion) is that these stories are decidedly NOT about magic, but rather are about the above virtues, especially the greatest virtue and oldest “magic” of all – sacrificial love.

    So while I personally don’t regard these books as Christian literature, I do believe they uphold Christian virtues, and that’s why I don’t feel reading them is inconsistent with my faith. (many detractors haven’t even read the books, or if they have, I think they have done so looking for fault. I was an early detractor, and read the first book with a suspicious eye, but once I accepted the terms of Rowling’s world, and just read the books at face value, I found them delightful.)

    The greatest sin in all this for me, was this; we’d read these books in the car as a family as we’d trek across the country doing concerts. When we arrived at the church, I would tell the boys, “okay, we’re at a church now, so don’t tell ANYONE that we were just reading Harry Potter…”

    I realized that because of my fear of man, I was teaching my kids to be duplicitous! I stopped doing that eventually, but I would have had to anyway since our (now) 4 year old would blow our cover everywhere we’d go, riding on a make-shift broom playing imaginary quidditch in church lobbies across America.

    I think it was my embarassment in my own failure to have real convictions about this and the fact that I forced our whole family to be closet Potter fans that sparked me to write this article.

    In the words of the Newsboys from the early 90’s “I’m not ashamed to let you know…” 😉


  5. Chris Hubbs

    I was one of those evangelicals who ran like crazy at the scent of witchcraft and stayed as far away from the books as possible. I had some friends who gently encouraged me that yeah, HP was a good series, worth reading. Finally this summer I gave in, and within the space of two months read the whole series. (Yeah, that’s basically a book a week.) I am now sorry that I waited so long. It was without-a-doubt the most fun I have had reading a series in a long time.

    I am resisting the pressure to be a “closet Potter fan”. I want, instead, to be encouraging thoughtful reading by both parents and children. There is much to learn and discuss.

  6. Ron Block

    I remember reading a Chick Publications tract when I was a kid that advocated the burning of all Tolkien and C.S. Lewis books. This attitude is just another manifestation of the Pharisaic tendency to look at things only by the outer appearance.

    The ability as an adult to see past appearances, to “faithe” in the face of circumstances which shout, “You can’t trust God on this one,” comes in part from magical reading as a child. I believe magic – real magic, God’s magic – exists. The desire for this is often put to death when children are told, “Magic isn’t real” or “Magic is evil.” What needs to be done is to tell the child that real Magic exists – the magic of faith. By faith we reach up into Eternity, grab hold of the promises of God, and pull them down into seen manifestation. I’m not a Word-of-Faith-er, believing the Lord is going to rain down Corvettes and caviar, but if I didn’t believe this kind of real Magic exists I wouldn’t want to live.

  7. Anna

    I have encountered many that would gladly burn these books, and it seems as if the majority of the Christians in my area are this way- at least they are the loudest. So, for a while I viewed this material and other controversial items as ‘good’ or ‘bad’. But then I actually started to investigate for myself the messages in a few of the works and have found that most of the fuss is due to a fear of the unknown or just a lack of knowledge. I have also come to see that many ‘good’ or bad’ things are just neutrals- a thought spurred by Mr. Lewis. I have not yet seen/read the Harry Potter series, but plan to. Thanks for the encouragement/ confirmation.

  8. ichthus

    While I haven’t read the latest books, I had kept up to speed through the first 4 Potter books (mostly encouraged by a girlfriend at the time who agreed to a Star Wars movie marathon if I read HP). It really should go without saying that as a Star Wars fan, along with Lewis and Tolkien, that they magic and spiritualism don’t bother me directly.

    I think that the realities of the Spiritual world are often discarded by Christians as irrelevant to our daily lives and blankly discarding a book series purely on the basis of its “magical sinfulness” is simply a show of ignorance and fear. Using a series like this as a “teaching tool” for our children can certainly be a positive…but only if they know the truth of the Bible first. Our entertainment media seems to have reached a point where even in the glorification of sin, they still repeatedly illustrate the depravity of man and can not avoid the consequences of that depravity. The problem is that it takes a truly discerning eye to notice the pain and see that in many cases it was entirely avoidable if not for the choices that brought it about. (Not saying pain and suffering is avoidable…we are called to both in Christ, but we needn’t inflict it upon ourselves).

    What bothered me in the HP series was the glorification of “gray” sin. Harry doesn’t just commit the occasional sin, but it seems like he views “little white lies” as not only just ok…but also the best way out of many situations. Like he expects adults to inherently have it out for him. Harry is confronted, Harry lies, Harry gets away with it. Is a young child going to see the falsehood in that situation, especially if they don’t have a parent explaining it to them? I guess for my own (future) children, I would want them to reach an age of accountability or to have demonstrated an understanding of sin and consequence before I would subject them to entertainment that makes light of sin.

    The topic of what is right and wrong, is nothing short of labyrnthian in complexity, for sure. Do we embrace a black and white world, or one with shades of gray? Under the Law or free from the Law? I guess that I have formed the opinion that there are truly definable rights and wrongs, there are blacks and whites. The things we like to call gray issues I often see instead as purely feel-good justification of a carnal pleasure. I would argue instead that rather than lumping things into White/Gray/Black categories, that we consider fully the consequences of the act in question with one very simple question: Will doing this bring Glory to God? If I have a glass of wine with my fiancee over dinner or a beer with some budies while watching football…no problem. But what if one of those buddies struggles with alcoholism, or even might just view that beer as sin? Should I force him to make a judgement call so i can express my liberty? Should I endorse Harry Potter for the church’s consumption because it is a liberty that doesn’t bother me?

    I guess the summation of my rant is that we don’t need to argue over something as stupid as Harry Potter books, but should instead push the church to study God’s word on the subject and use what God says to judge the books. Entertain yourself with them, but do so while SEEING the sin within and the falsehoods for what they are.

  9. Jason Gray


    Don’t mean to be contrary here, and I don’t mean to enter into a debate, but I offer this as humbly as I know how, acknowledging that as I get older I’m increasingly grumpy and curmudgeonly…

    I do whole-heartedly agree with you that Harry Potter books are a trivial matter and that there are much more worthwhile things to discuss. In fact, I hesitated to write this article for this very reason. I’d much rather talk about service to the poor and other more noble forms of worship. But I guess I wrote this not so much to defend Harry Potter as I did to address what I perceive as sinful, ignorant, and self righteous attitudes in the church that drive me CRAZY. (though I’m sure there is at least a little of my own self-righteousness that compels me to write such an article).

    There is no religion in the Harry Potter books (wise move on J.K. Rowling’s part in my opinion). That’s the complaint of both Christians and occultists. Both camps want to own Rowling for themselves, but she just wants to tell a good story. Rowling’s books are just entertainment – a good story told well – and for that reason they don’t really amount to much of a hill that I’m willing to die on. But like any good story told well, there is something of truth, beauty, and goodness to it. If Harry were a perfect boy, the stories would be less true.

    So in regards to Harry’s “gray” areas of sin – and I predict I’m going to irritate you by saying this – it must be taken in context. Most of the time, we as the reader know he’s making bad decision when he decides to withold or bend truth to his advantage and it gets him into trouble. What saves the day? Usually the wisdom and foresight of Dumbledore (the fatherly figure in the book) or the loyalty of his friends. That sounds less like a watering down of truth than it sounds like real life to me.

    You cited Tolkien and Star Wars earlier, and I would argue that at least Star Wars is much more ambiguous than the Potter books. Luke makes the same kind of rookie mistakes that Harry does, not to mention that everybody’s favorite character in the series is Han Solo who is as duplicitous as they come. Still, I think we all agree that it’s good clean fun as far entertainment goes and that even in spite of Lucas’ pantheism there are precious truths to be mined from the Star Wars universe.

    (Many of Tolkien’s characters strike me as ambiguous as well. The way I read it, Gollum is one of the heroes of the story by the end, even if it is unintentional.)

    Anyway, I don’t mean to invalidate your point, and I do feel a bit foolish for spending all this time talking about what we both agree is a small thing in the grand scheme of things…

    I would like to admit that I bristled at your comment about boiling everything down to the question of “will this bring glory to God?” I get what you’re saying and agree with it at it’s heart, but always feel like it’s a misleading or loaded question. Many of the people I meet who use that kind of language always seem a bit too austere to me (not saying you are). It can degrade to a very narrow mind-set (at least it has in my own life). I have a friend who said he would only read the bible and no other book because they were fruitless. Consequently, he’s the only filter he brings to his bible reading and there are no other voices of wisdom speaking into his myopic understanding of scripture. Another friend refuses to watch movies. I feel like my faith and understanding of life are enriched by good stories told well. In fact one of my favorite past times is to look for God hiding in the most unsuspected places. Who would have thought I would have had such a profoundly religious experience during the offensive and profanity laden “Magnolia”? (ironically, the movie that most believers I know embraced with religious fervor was “The Matrix” which to me was as antithetical to Christianity as you could get. That’s not to say that I didn’t get something out of it, though).

    What doesn’t bring God glory in my view is believers who are afraid of everything and therefore protest it. Afraid of Halloween. Afraid of Harry Potter. Afraid of alcohol. Afraid of sexuality. and most of all afraid of grace. We are kill joys known for being what we’re against and are always suspected of having an agenda (I did a concert recently where when I was done the preacher got up and said “and now it’s time for the real show” and proceeded to preach for an HOUR after a 2 hour night of music. His intent was evangelistic, but it couldn’t have done more damage to the representation of Christ. Any unbelievers there will most likely never go to a Christian concert again…)

    In regards to bringing glory to God, Augustine said, “love God and do what you want”, and this strikes me as the best way of thinking about what brings him glory. We bring him glory when we love him. Our love will hopefully reveal his beauty, and the most beautiful believers I know live at peace with God’s grace, are free to enjoy God’s green world and all that’s in it, and are always filled with wonder by God’s unexpected hiding places.

    My point is that I believe we are called to be sanctifiers, to play a part in God’s redemptive plan. To my limited understand, I think that means that in a sense I get to sanctify Harry Potter books when I bring them into the light of God’s truth and use them to his purpose. Or maybe even when I just enjoy them! Same thing with a movie like “Magnolia”. Same thing for bringing drums into the sanctuary and taking rock music captive to make it subordinate to the knowledge of Christ. In other words, it all may be more or less what we make of it.

    In regards to offending other weaker brothers and sisters… I don’t know what to do about that, I wrestle with it… I’ve heard this line of thought so often and I just can’t help but think we’re misapplying it most of the time. Our brothers and sisters need to be offended from time to time or they’ll never grow (this includes me). Jesus was very offensive, even to his own disciples. He was a scandal, and continues to be to this day. I don’t want to cause a weaker brother who struggles with alcoholism to fall off the wagon, but I also don’t want to be party to adding to the gospel like those who say drinking alcohol is a sin. (Perhaps the weaker brother wouldn’t struggle with alcoholism if he’d seen more examples of biblical moderation)

    Really, I’m not trying to be contrary or a jerk, it’s just this kind of thing is exactly the kind of dialogue I intended for this article to spark – these are the things I’m more interested in talking about than just the latest Harry Potter book. Thanks for your post.

  10. Ron Block

    Two things in this discussion that piqued my “raised in a legalistic background” interest:

    The “weaker brother” that Paul talks about is the one who is afraid of sinning (by eating meat sacrificed to idols in that case). It is one whose faith is so weak that he doesn’t trust the power of Christ within himself to be his Keeper, his Righteousness, his Holiness; it is a Christian who doesn’t rely on Christ as his indwelling, living Law-keeper. Instead, this weak brother must have all kinds of “fence laws” around the actual Laws because he doesn’t know Christ as his Life. Drunkenness is a sin? Then let’s build a fence that says “No drinking.” Looking on a woman with lust is a sin? Then let’s make women wear potato sacks, stop wearing makeup, veil their faces, and make them sit on the other side of the church.

    So I trust Christ within myself to keep the Law for me, through me, as me; I recognize I am dead to the self-effort shouting demands of the outer, written Law because I am now in a union with the One who made the Law, Him whose very nature expresses the Law. And now I’m in a quandary when it comes to this weaker brother. Do I drink wine in front this one who believes wine is sinful in itself, possibly persuading him by my actions, if he has confidence in me, to go against his conscience to drink it? Anymore, I can’t, because the love of Christ in me is greater than my desire to express my individual freedom anytime I feel like it. In drinking I wound his weak conscience, because if we think something is a sin it is.

    Now, I don’t give a flip about someone judging me for drinking a glass of wine. But my concern is for the one who, though he thinks it a sin, goes against his conscience to imitate me when his maturity in Christ-reliance isn’t ready to handle it.

    So – the weaker brother is not the one who reads Harry Potter or drinks a glass of wine. The weaker brother is the legalistic brother, who thinks the Devil and sin are more powerful than Christ and His righteousness, who doesn’t rely on Christ as his Keeper.

    And the other thing that struck my heart was the question, “What brings glory to God?” Again, sin-consciousness quickly enters into this question, although it is asked with good intentions. Glory is brought to God when the humans that He created to be indwelt and powered on Himself stop being so damnably self-conscious about holiness, perennially in a contest with themselves and others to make sure they’ve got every jot and tittle of the Law. Holiness is beautiful; it is love for God and others. It is joy, real joy, to walk free of the separated consciousness of Satan’s tree in Eden, “Do this and don’t do that and you’ll become holy”, and to be aware of our union with Christ, our unity with Him, and to see that union expressed through us as love. “For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live, then, as children of light.” We’re one with Christ, indwelt by Him. He is our life. All we have to do is rely on Him in us, and holiness is expressed. It is simple in thought; a child can understand a branch won’t bear any fruit unless it stays in the tree. Abiding – Christ-reliance – is perfect freedom. Freedom from Law. Freedom from sin. Stay out of self-effort, Law-thinking – abide, and we won’t sin. Cease abiding, and the Devil gains a foothold immediately through the resulting Law-consciousness (self-consciousness is the result of that).

    My attitude toward sin is this: I know what blatant sin is. It’s obvious. The gray areas? I tell God to let me know if I’m sinning in a gray area. “Lord, if there’s anything in me that is contrary to Your will, show me so I can forsake it.” I pray that often, along with “Lord, work Your will in my life, no matter what the cost” (I often call this “The stupidest prayer I ever prayed”). Other than that, I’m not going to waste any time wondering whether or not this or that other thing is sin. We’ve got the Creator of the universe living inside these earthen temples, the one who is Holiness itself. “Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Thee.” No worries. He knows what He’s about.

  11. Ron Block

    Jason said, “Our brothers and sisters need to be offended from time to time or they’ll never grow (this includes me). Jesus was very offensive, even to his own disciples. He was a scandal, and continues to be to this day.”

    Paul was scandalous as well, especially to the religious crowd. Those who wanted to mix Law with faith in Christ (“Trust Jesus, and hedge your bets”) he drove crazy with his “I no longer live, but Christ lives in me” union-with-Christ talk. The lives of the great saints and Jesus Himself show us that if we are walking in intimate communion with God we are going to step on some toes. And Jason, you’re totally right on in saying that’s where real growth happens – when circumstances and people step on our toes, and we’ve got to deal with our inner reactions to them.

  12. Pamela Hunter

    Thank you for your commentary on HP. I recently listened to “The Sorcerers Stone” on cd while taking a road trip with my children. I was charmed by it and HP. I have been listening to my mother for years about how UNGODLY it is. I have to say I agree with Jason. It is good versus evil and an opportunity to relate its issues to our christian values. Thanks again!

  13. Tony Heringer

    Jason…thanks for pointing me to this post. I hadn’t read this one. Certainly a lively debate. Travis has shamelessly plugged his book on Harry recently here: (which I guess I’m adding to his shamelessness by adding a link here?). To that shameless plug, I’d add this delightful interview with Connie Neal, author of “The Gospel According To Harry Potter”. In it she describes how she has used the books in some very winsome ways in sharing Christ. Oh, the irony.

    As for as the stag scene, I love that part of the movie and book. It is so moving because of the clear symbolism employed.

    As to Harry’s behavior, I think the static is that it’s excused by the adults in the story. “He gets away with it!” However, like all things, Harry’s sin does catch up with him. He may have “gotten away with something” but later in the stories it creates some animosity and other issues of conflict (much like our own hidden sins).

    These aren’t perfect stories, and like all things, including the Bible, we need to come to them seeking to apply not just God’s will as revealed in His Word, but also the wisdom He supplies via His Word and the Holy Spirit. I have to ask myself am I looking to be right at the expense of being unrighteous? Both sides of this argument should be willing to extend grace to the other and not label the other as simple minded or sinful.

    I completed the series back in April and look forward to film 6. It will be interesting to see how the final two books translate to film. I’m sure once the films are completed and out on DVD we can have Rabbit Room retrospective from Travis unless Pete beats him to it. 🙂

  14. Dryad

    TO start off:
    Yes, I know I’m commenting three years too late. Deal with it.

    I’ve always been astonished that some of the most vociferous Harry critics see nothing wrong with Star Wars, which actually has a pagan base.

    PS Sorry for the run on sentence.
    PPS I do like Star Wars, for the most part.

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