Tag Team Corner (Matt & Curt): Favorite Sleepers


Matt: We ended our last conversation with the ‘sleeper’ category and it got me thinking – what is my favorite absolutely sleeper pick out there?

Now, let me clarify what I would say a sleeper pick is. I don’t mean an Oscar winner that didn’t make much at the box office. I’m not talking about a cult movie. So when I write sleeper, I’m talking about a movie that wasn’t a critical fave, a commercial fave or really anyone’s fave at all. And yet it’s on your list.

So with that said, I’d love to talk about cinematic sleepers with that as our definition. This should be an interesting back and forth in the comments. And if someone says something like English Patient or Spider-Man, I’m done.

Curt, do you have your top ‘sleeper?’


Curt: I have many, but the first that comes to mind is Timothy Burton’s Edward Scissorhands, from 1990. It made money, but not much. While there were a few critics that embraced it, it was decisively pummeled by critics overall.

Edward Scissorhands is a movie that touches me, but in ways that I can’t easily define. It’s not that I understand why and can’t communicate it effectively; it’s that I simply can’t put my finger on why it touches me so deeply. I’ve considered dissecting and sorting my thoughts about it, but always choose to let the aura it gives me remain somewhat vague. I can tell you that Danny Elfman’s soundtrack provides the most amazing mood music I’ve ever heard in a film. Do you remember the Proprietor’s post, Sigur Ros Makes Me Cry? Many were deeply stirred by this video, but couldn’t explain why. That’s how it is with me and the film Edward Scissorhands.

What about you, Matt?

Matt: Okay, this is a bit off-the-wall, but…

Event Horizon. Probably most have never heard of it or even seen it. It’s a horror movie in outer space from 1997 which should relegate it to b-movie status. But Laurence Fishburne and other recognizables pull this off wonderfully (in a horrifying, creepy, sci-fi way).

It’s Paul W.S. Anderson who directed Resident Evil and Alien vs. Predator (neither movie I even care to see), so it’s not like I have a ton going for me by recommending this movie. But horror movies are so stupid and predictable and this movie could have went the wrong direction. Instead, I couldn’t sleep well for five days.


So this movie does what it should and fits the ‘sleeper’ category perfectly for me.

Do you have any others, Curt?

Curt: Yes, here’s another one, Matt: Love Song for Bobby Long. Most critics were indifferent or unapologetically hostile towards this movie. It was a big fat box office belly flop. It’s a character driven movie in which plot is secondary to the lives of its characters. Unexpectedly, it drew me in and though in retrospect it sometimes wandered aimlessly, I was riveted by the characters. For a variety of reasons, including salty language and alcoholism personified, I don’t recommend it to those that are sensitive to such. Still, in my mind it’s an excellent piece of moviemaking.

Here’s a quote from one of the characters, Lawson Pines, which provides a tidy little summary of why this movie appealed to me:

“Some people reach a place in time where they’ve gone as far as they can. A place where wives and jobs collide with desire. That which is unknowable and those who remain out of sight. See what is invisible and you will see what to write. That’s how Bobby used to put it. It was the invisible people he wanted to live with. The ones that we walk past every day, the ones we sometimes become. The ones in books who live only in someones mind’s eye. He was a man who was destined to go through life and not around it. A man who was sure the shortest path to heaven was straight through hell. But the truth of his handicap lay only in a mind both exalted and crippled by too many stories and the path he chose to become one. Bobby Long’s tragic flaw was his romance with all that he saw. And I guess if people want to believe in some form of justice, then Bobby Long got his for a song.”

Not to get all weird with theolo-vision ™, but read that paragraph again, with the thought–other than the part about jobs and wives–that it’s about Jesus, not Bobby Long. And I don’t mean that Bobby Long is contructed as a Jesus figure. Only that Jesus looked at the world and life through divine eyes. And though Bobby Long ended up on the wrong path, it wasn’t because he didn’t see right. It’s because he didn’t choose right.

Here’s a movie that simply assumes its viewers are well read. I was intrigued by John Travolta’s Professor Bobby Long. He loved literature and art and used them as a vehicle to seek truth. Despite that, though he flirted and danced with truth, it was often too painful to embrace, so he was usually paralyzed by the romance of it all. Indeed, in his life, the romance prevailed over raw truth. More to the point, he embraced form rather than substance.

I thought about choosing Flatliners as another sleeper–as a very bad joke–but decided the better of it. What else do you have up your sleeve, Matt?

Matt: One movie that I still believe to be absolutely endearing, charming, graceful and quite stunning is In America. It chronicles the tale of an Irish family immigrating to New York and the struggles for the father of two young daughters to make a new life for themselves. It will make you laugh and cry and absolutely nobody has seen it.

Curt: That includes me, but not for long. I’ll check it out based on your recommendation (believe it or not, I have seen Event Horizon). The number of books and movies I’ve experienced as the result of Rabbit Room recommendations continues to grow. As we continue to learn, our readers and fellow Rabbit Roomers never come up empty when it comes to recommendations, so let’s open up this thread for discussion. Remember Matt’s criteria for a Sleeper–not an Oscar winner that didn’t make much at the box office or a cult movie. Matt wants us to take it a step further. To qualify the movie should not be a critical or commercial favorite. Nor anyone’s favorite. Except yours. Bring it on!


  1. Keith

    first I have to say that Event Horizon was one of the most terrifying movie going experiences of my young life. My friend and I were underage and either snuck into the movie, or we were sold tickets by an oblivious teenager who did not know or care what they were sending us too, or the devil himself masquerading as an oblivious teenager who knew full well what he was sending us into. My friend and I got seats toward the front and got excited for this movie that for some reason I had told my friend was going to be “like Jaws in space”. Needless to say this movie was not like “Jaws in space”, but to my little mind a glimpse into hell. The only reason we did not leave the movie early was because of our deeply held and shared opinion that if we turned around in our seats we would see demons standing at the exit doors refusing to let anyone leave till the ending. Instead we sunk as low as we could into our seats, shielded our eyes and left the theatre praying for forgiveness.

    only as we got older did we begin to sprinkle the quote, “Mommy my legs mommy” randomly into our conversations as a reminder of the most terrifying 2 hours we ever spent at a theatre…this is also before I was forced to go see “Never Been Kissed” with my sister or somebody.

    As a response to sleeper picks I have a few right off the bat. First, “CQ” by Roman Coppola. I have no idea why he does not direct anymore films. This movie is a wonderful look at the artistic process. In response to “Event Horizon” I would like to submit “Ravenous” with Guy Pearce. This is a black (comedy?) that examines cannibals around the time of the civil war. This is definitely not for everyone and has been blamed, by my friend, for ruining a portion of his childhood. It also includes a truly inspired score by Damon Albarn (Blur, Gorillaz) and Michael Nyman.

    Last but not least for a family pick I would like to submit “The Black Stallion” (1979) This was one of my most cynical movie going experiences and dog gone it if I wasn’t hooked and teary eyed by the end of it. I’m not sure if this one fits I just haven’t met a lot of people who have seen it. I would also like to give a quick shout out to Love Liza; George Washington; Breakdown; In The Mood For Love…I’ll save the rest for another post.

  2. Nathan Bubna

    I’m gonna go with PCU. I didn’t even hear of it until i saw it in college about 5 years after its release. I have no idea why more people didn’t laugh at this movie. It’s not that i laughed hysterically when i saw it or when i re-watch it, but i think of it everytime i run into political correctness of any sort and it always makes me chuckle, if only on the inside. I can’t think of a better lampoon of the whole PC thing than this movie. Heck, even writing about it makes me want to go watch it again.

    If i can offer a second one, Empire Records is another movie i didn’t hear about or watch for several years after its release. While it doesn’t make me chuckle as much as PCU and has a bit more crassness, it is one of those immensely quotable movies, like Billy Madison, but less dumb and less popular (coincidence?). I love the music, the characters, and it always makes me smile. I still think of that movie everytime i see the clock at exactly 1:37pm. “Damn the man, save the Empire!”

  3. easton crow

    Oh but you see, Flatliners was totally critical to my formative experience! Ok, so I have no taste in movies, but I was still very scared by it and thought Keiffer Sutherland was totally cool and Julia Roberts was toally hot. Ahem.
    Now I think I need to see Event Horizon. An occasional scary movie is a good thing.
    My boys just saw Black Stallion this winter with the whole extended family. Everyone from 60 to 6 loved it.
    My all time favorite sleeper was Cold Comfort Farm. It is a delightful English film that everyone who loves good solid English humor should see. “It will be amusing or diverting, but never such fun.”

  4. Chris R

    Wholeheartedly agree about In America. Djimon Hounsou is brilliant (as usual) and the other actors do a phenomenal job. If you havent seen it (and you havent), check out “To End All Wars”, starring Kiefer Sutherland, the guy from The Full Monty, and a bunch of other no names. It is based off the same book as The Bridge over River Kwai and is one of the most powerful films I have ever seen on the power of forgiveness and what happens if we cannot forgive.

  5. Loren Eaton

    The Addiction is an über-indie film that uses vampirism as a metaphor for sin. It’s raw and stumbles at a few points, but the ending where they’re quoting R.C. Sproul (“We’re not sinners because we sin, we sin because we’re sinners”) is strangely powerful.

    On the horror front, there have only been two movies that I couldn’t finish. One of them was Event Horizon. When Sam Neill’s dead wife took her fingernails and … [Shudders] I don’t want to think about it!

  6. Julie

    Oh! The Black Stallion was my all time favorite movie throughout my childhood and I still love it! It really did something to me but I can’t explain it. The part where Alec and the Black are on the island to this day brings the huge longing in for something, though I’m not quite sure what. I think the music has alot to do with it.

  7. Chris Slaten

    My dad and I saw Event Horizon together while skipping school after having my braces tightened when I was in junior high. We thought that it was PG-13 and from the previews thought that it would be a slightly scary Star Trek. Little did we know that it was a rated R movie about a spaceship from Hell. Needless to say it was pretty awkward for both of us, though I do remember thinking that some of the scenes were pretty neat. The latter half of Space Odyssey is more terrifying to me though and in some senses so are the Solaris movies.

    In America was great. Edward Scissor Hands is also one of my favorites.

    Sleepers that I loved that other people I have known either didn’t like or didn’t care for include:
    – The Hudsucker Proxy (Earlier Cohen brother’s movie about a man inventing the Hula-Hoop, featuring Tim Robbins and Paul Newman. Includes witty dialogue often at breakneck speed and perhaps the best film scene ever to be set to the music of the Sabre Dance. It flopped in the box office and the major critics hated it.)
    – Baraka (an absolutely gorgeous movie with no specific plot, narration or dialogue, similar to the Quatsi series. A majority of the scenes are people around the world worshiping, environmental themes and general glimpses of the human condition in all of its misery/beauty. One of my favorite movies and probably my number one recommendation for people who want to see something meaningful. As boring as it may sound to some, everyone whom I’ve let borrow it have found it incredibly engaging and hard to stop watching.)
    -Empire of the Sun (Christian Bale’s first movie as a little kid and it features John Malcovich)
    -The Thin Red Line (One of my favorite war movies simply because it was so unlike many other war movies I’d scene before in it’s pacing and bright cinematography. Though I believe it was received well critically I consider it a sleeper because it was over-shadowed in the box office by Saving Private Ryan which was released at the same time.)
    I also am a little embarrassed to say that I liked Unbreakable more than the average moviegoer.

  8. Bret Welstead

    Event Horizon was one of the creepiest sci-fi movies I’ve ever seen. I, too, didn’t sleep well for a few days after seeing it, and I was in college at the time. Embarrassing but true.

    Loved Edward Scissorhands.

    I’m going to use the Wikipedia definition of a sleeper, which is basically a film that does better in the latter part of its release than the initial part, or does better as a cult classic when it moves to DVD. In that case, a few that come to mind include The Shawshank Redemption, Office Space, and Singles.

  9. Drew

    Event Horizon is the scarriest movie I have evr seen. I should qualify that statement by saying that I hate scarry movies so I have seen very few. Either way, that movie was incredibly haunting. A space ship that has passed and brought with it the likes of hell? Yikes! And it has the power to bring your worst nightmares to life before your very eyes. Definitely creepy.

  10. Linda Gilmore

    I loved In America, too. There’s a lot of beauty in that movie.

    How about “The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill but Came Down a Mountain”? Came out in the early 1990s, with Hugh Grant, and set in Wales during WWI. It’s an utterly charming story that got, if I remember correctly, mixed reviews and you don’t see it very often.

  11. Nathan Bubna

    Wow. Lots of strong reactions to Event Horizon. I watched it with my dad once when the rest of the family was out of town. Unfortunately, it was our second movie of the night (after Scream) and i was so drowsy i can barely remember it and was too tired to be scared. The freakiest movie i’ve paid attention to was The Devil’s Advocate (with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves). I’ve never wanted to walk out of a movie as much as that one, but was witha large group of peers and was feeling the pressure. If i’d known my friend Sarah (sitting behind me) had left, i would have joined her in a heartbeat. But i was too chicken to be the only one. Props to Sarah for having the guts i didn’t. That film really creeped me out.

  12. Tony Heringer

    Three that have been family favorites, probably aren’t that hip, are fun and light-hearted and I don’t think will scare anyone 🙂

    That Thing You Do! – Tom Hanks homage to early 60s music and one hit wonders in general. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117887/

    Oscar – a movie with a very dry wit and one that my wife and I love. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102603/ Tim Curry is hilarious as Sylvester Stallone’s elocution instructor along with Peter Riegert’s fussy gangster turned butler/attendant.

    A tie for third: Muppet Christmas Carol http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104940/ and Muppet Treasure Island http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=Muppet+Treasure+Island&x=20&y=13 Tim Curry is also good in this film. These films recalled the “Fractured Fairy Tales” type of humor that I enjoyed as a kid and that I can share with my kids today.

    I also give two thumbs up on two others mentioned here: The Hudsucker Proxy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110074/ (a homage to Kate Hepburn’s heyday and by far the cleanest Cohen brothers movie you will ever see) and The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill but Came Down a Mountain http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112966/ I don’t remember why I liked it, just remember I did. 🙂

  13. Chris P

    Props to you, Nathan, for Empire Records. I absolutely love it.
    Aside from that I’d say Wicker Park, a remake of L’appartement. It’s kinda out there, but it’s a great story of love and obsession. Rose Byrne’s performance blew me out of the water. Despite the unhealthy methods used by many of the characters, it was nice to see a story where love comes through in a totally unconventional, non Hollywood, albeit kinda creepy way.
    I also have to throw in The Wind That Shakes The Barley. I love Ken Loach, and I know he’s not everyone’s cup ‘o tea, but I think that he has the ability to create very real and moving characters. The Irish revolution and Civil war is a very interesting bit of History, even if the truth can’t quite be picked out. This is not a movie to be undertaken lightly. It’s emotionally overwhelming and it does not end with a lot of redemption. And there is a scene of torture, which despite showing almost nothing (you see more of the closed door behind which the horrific event is happening) profoundly disturbed me. But I still found it a very worthwhile and inspiring movie, and as a plus it has
    Cillian Murphy who is a unfortunately under-recognized talent.

  14. Melanie

    I don’t cry much in movies, but I cried a LOT in In America. Such a great picture of sacrifice.

    Some of my favorite sleeper movies are: The Prizewinner of Defiance, Ohio (with Julianne Moore and Woody Harrelson-so great!), In Her Shoes (with Cameron Diaz and my favorite actress Toni Collette), and Titanic (just kidding!)

    By the way, I read this blog almost every day but rarely contribute. However, when it comes to movies, that is one thing I like talking about. Thanks for the recommendations. I’ll be sure NOT to watch Event Horizon. 🙂

  15. Aaron Roughton

    I can’t remember if this was a “sleeper,” but The Fastest Indian with Anthony Hopkins was fantastic, and it didn’t show up on my radar until Netflix had it.

    I’m also going out on a limb here to say that The Rundown, starring The Rock, Sean William Scott (Stiffler), and the fantastic Christopher Walken was actually one I watched 3 times on DVD to catch all the stuff I thought was funny.

  16. becky

    Several friends have told me recently that I have to see “To End All Wars.” That it is one of the best movies they have ever seen. So it is on my list.

    I also liked “That Thing You Do” and “The Prizewinner of Defiance, Ohio”. And I remember enjoying “The Man Who Went Up a Hill…”, but like Tony I don’t really remember why.

    One of my favorite movies that noone else I know has ever seen is “Dear Frankie”. It is about a mother who is hiding out from her abusive husband with her mother and deaf son, Frankie. She exchanges letters with Frankie pretending to be his sailor father, writing from exotic ports of call. Things get complicated when the ship his “father” has been writing from comes to their town. The movie is set in Glasgow, and stars Emily Mortimer and Gerard Butler who are two of my favorite actors. And the music is terrific. The language is a bit extreme, but I really recommend it.

  17. John Barber

    I just watched The Orphanage on DVD last week. Not too many people care to check out Spanish language ghost stories, but this one is really beautiful. Produced by Guillermo del Toro, it has a lonely, sad feel throughout, but the heroine is strong in her despair and creative and thoughtful in her helplessness. It’s really worth a rental, I promise.

  18. Curt McLey


    When these movie thread recommendations start coming, it seems like I add about ten movies to my queue each time. I just wanted to make a couple of random comments from comments made in this thread.

    First, I think it was Becky and Chris R. that mentioned To End All Wars. I wish I’d thought of it. Awesome sleeper. Run, don’t walk to get this one. I learned of it through my AP Message Board friends, Richard and Gaines. It’s one of my all time favorites. Truly. It’s about hope and forgiveness, but especially forgiveness. As I think about it while typing this, I realize I want to see it again. Even if you aren’t a war movie buff, you will probably still enjoy it, though you should note that there are some violent parts.

    I must also confess my guilt as one who enjoyed That Thing You Do. That’s another film in which the soundtrack was critical to success. Adam Schlesinger from Fountains of Wayne and one of the best pop songwriters around and Rick Elias of Rich Mullins’s Ragamuffin Band both contributed songs to the soundtrack.

    I’ve been wanting to watch The Orphanage since it was recommended in another thread. It’s an “Instant View” choice at Netflix for anyone else that may be interested.

  19. Nathan Bubna

    Aaron, i also loved The Rundown, and considered adding it to my list. That movie was just downright fun. It made me truly appreciate The Rock, which surprised me greatly.

    Chris, glad to hear there’s another Empire Records fan out there!

  20. Tony Heringer

    Okay, I’ll put in another plug for To End All Wars. I also liked Dear Frankie. Gerard Butler was great in Timeline and Reign of Fire two other fun sci-fi sleepers.

    But, to be hip and serious, here’s my hip and serious sleeper contribution:

    Evelyn http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298856/ Pierce Brosnan used his James Bond money to finance this little gem, based on actual events, about a father fighting for the custody of his child. There are some great scenes in this film. I especially love the one where the title character confronts a strict nun during a catechism lesson.

  21. Chris P

    Lots of good movies. I also contemplated adding The Orphanage, To End All Wars, and That Thing you do to my list, so I’m glad to see them all on the list. And as a side note, I saw Curt mentioned Rick Elias who contributed to That Thing You Do’s soundtrack. He has some great solo albums that I would really recommend everyone checking out, especially Blink

  22. Josh Kennedy

    So no Oscar winners and no cult favs, huh? Well, here it goes.

    My first pick is Lawnmower Man. I know what you’re saying, “You mean that cheesy sci-fi film from the early nineties with the horrible CG?” Yep, that’s the one. Without getting into too much detail, the story deals mainly with the idea of accelerated evolution and the theme of man being too smart for his own good. The story isn’t terribly original, but I’ve always loved the job that Jeff Fahey did as Jobe the, you guessed it, lawnmower man (side note for LOST fans: Fahey played helicopter pilot Frank Lapidis in season 4 – everybody say, “Ohhhhhh.”). According to one review I looked up seeing as how it has been a few years since I’ve viewed it, it’s got elements of both Hackers (movie) and Flowers for Algernon (book). It also features former Bond man Pierce Brosnan for what it’s worth. It does have a sex scene (possibly two) – with one being done in horrible, pre-Jurassic Park CG – but according to Netflix it’s rated R for sensuality, not sexuality, so there ya go (also, props to Netflix for bringing the word ‘queue’ across the pond).

    Second and third are two movies that fall dangerously close to the cult classics area, but I’ll let you guys be the judges of that. The Emperor’s New Groove gets a big nod for being my favorite animated, non-Pixar, Disney film since the era of Robin Hood, The Jungle Book, etc. If you don’t laugh watching this film, I’m sorry, but there’s good chance that your laugh machine is broken. Watching Cronk do his own theme music gets me every time.

    The other one is Dark City. Disclaimer: I will always have a soft spot for this film because it was the last move I snuck into before turning 17. Before the show 24 came on TV there seemed to be a general consensus that Kiefer Sutherland could not act anymore (think Charlie Sheen prior to Two and A Half Men). All that changed in my mind when I saw this movie. He plays a mad scientist who is the antithesis of Jack Bauer. From the weak voice to his cowed demeanor, all of his nuanced actions build a robust character which has to be one of his best performances. It’s dark without being scary. It’s iconic in that 1940’s/50’s look (think Batman: The Animated Series, or Dick Tracy, but without the garish colors). It gives you plenty of mystery, but it doesn’t overly frustrate you either. If you’re looking for a solid science fiction movie do yourself a favor and check it out.

  23. Bryan

    I have to agree with some that have been mentioned. PCU was great. I’ve always really liked “That thing you do”. A few years ago, my wife introduced me to “Empire Records”, which was also good.

    In regards to “Event Horizon”, I saw it in the theatre with some friends. I think all the girls that were with us left halfway through. I don’t remember the movie that well, but I’ll never forget one part . . . The part where someone says that the ship went to hell, and another character tells him that he can’t just say “hell” and understand. He grabs the first guy and somehow transmits images to him, so that he will understand. I’ve always remembered that when people talk about what hell would be like, or more pleasantly, what heaven is like. We can’t just talk about it and understand it.

    All this talk has made me want to see it again. Maybe that’s a bad idea. I’m not a big fan of not sleeping.

  24. Kerry

    I loved both Oscar and The Addiction. Good suggestions.

    I don’t watch a ton of movies. In fact, most of what others have listed here I haven’t even heard of. And I have some favourites that would fall into the category “obscure”, though I don’t know if they strictly follow the “sleeper” guidelines above.

    “Life with Father” is an old film (1947) based off of a Broadway play. It’s about a family living in New York City in the 1880’s. They’re rather kooky. it features William Powell and Irene Dunne, plus a very young Elizabeth Taylor.

    The original Japanese “Godzilla”, actually called “Gojira”. “Gojira” was sliced and diced and Raymond Burr was stuck in to create the American “Godzilla”. But the “Gojira” is far superior, if you don’t mind subtitles. You can actually purchase the two films together as a boxed set. It’s interesting to consider the 1998 “Godzilla” featuring Matthew Broderick in the light of those two original films. Alot of the same themes (such as nuclear and atomic testing) play out in the newer film, which also adds its own newer social agendas to the story. All three are, in fact, well done propaganda pieces.

    Also in the subtitle group is the French “Cyrano de Bergerac” featuring Gerard DePardieu and based on the classic novel of the same name. The American film “Roxanne” featuring Steve Martin was based off of this story.

    Another French subtitle film featuring DePardieu is “Jean de Florette”, which has to be followed with its sequel “Manon of the Spring”.

    On the comedy front, “Johnny Dangerously” (another gangster film) featuring Michael Keaton and “UHF” by Weird Al are favourites.

    “Cromwell”, a film about English reformer Oliver Cromwell, featuring Richard Harris and Alec Guiness, is another fav. And on the Catholic end of the spectrum, “The Mission” featuring Robert DeNiro and Jeremy Irons also stands out. Both of these top the list in the “often rewatched” category for me.

    I just saw one (twice, actually) that I’d recommend, and that’s “Son of Rambow”. It’s in the theaters now, though it’s a low-budget thing and hard to find. The themes of Pietism and art that we talked about in the “Babette’s Feast” post come out in “Son of Rambow” as well. I highly recommend it.

  25. Curt McLey


    Matt wrote:

    One movie that I still believe to be absolutely endearing, charming, graceful and quite stunning is In America. It chronicles the tale of an Irish family immigrating to New York and the struggles for the father of two young daughters to make a new life for themselves. It will make you laugh and cry and absolutely nobody has seen it.

    It took awhile to surface in my queue, but I finally watched In America over the weekend. What a wonderful piece of filmmaking. Thanks for the recommendation, Brother Matt.

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