[Editorâs note: Jill Phillips has been working on a new album. So, âMatt Conner,â I said, âget you gone and find out what sheâs up to.â Thus did he sally forth, and thus with this interview did he return. I have no idea why Iâm talking this way.]
Just to start, Iâd love to get an update on exactly where things are with the new album.
Iâve taken a little bit more of a pause in the past month-and-a-half for obvious reasons. Weâve been traveling and everything. But before school let out, weâd gotten to where there were basic tracks for all of the songsâpercussion, some overdubs. We actually did some recording three or four weeks ago with Ben Shive, who did piano for one or two songs. Weâve had a cellist come in.
So weâve done a good bit. Maybe weâre a little over halfway done. I still have to do my vocals. I have maybe one or two finished, but I really didnât want to do those piecemeal. I wanted to be in the zone and do it, so I did one, took a pause, and then Iâll get to the others when the kids start school next week. When theyâre home for the summer, itâs just impossible to get that much work done. [Laughs] My goal is to have it done by Hutchmoot. Maybe thatâs ambitious, but weâll give it a shot.
This is the longest youâve gone between recordings, correct?
It probably is. I donât even know how long itâs been, to be honest. Itâs been a while. Andy and I alternate doing records, and his last one took longer as well. That means mine will take longer. Thatâs not his fault. Thatâs just both of us. [Laughs]
His took longer because he was on the road a ton, and I remember him having this realization. He was on the road at Laity Lodge and trying to get it out. He brought recording equipment to Laity, which is his favorite place to be in the world, and then it didnât work. He just realized, âI am not supposed to do this. Iâm going to enjoy Laity Lodge. Iâm just going to postpone my album. Itâs not going to come out for the Christmas tour. Itâs just going to come out later.â So that pushed back my album as well.
Honestly, thatâs just fine. It really was. I do feel like the kids are at an age where they need you a lot. You think itâs when theyâre babies, but itâs now. There are so many activities I need to be there for, and Andyâs been traveling quite a bit. If heâs going to travel at that rate, I need to be home a little more to enable him to travel. So all of that meant that we both probably needed a bit more time. Hopefully we wonât stay at that rate.
How does the material usually come together? Do you take things in a thematic direction or is it just culling together the ideas that have developed over a certain period?
A bit of both. There have been times when I thought more thematically. I think I still have to think thematically, because even if Iâm piecing songs together that have been written over the last few years, I want them to be cohesive. I have a song that I love thatâs been written for four or five years. My friends love it and agree itâs a great song, but itâs just not fit on any album that Iâve done. It wonât go on this one either. [Laughs] Maybe one day it will fit in, but I think there has to be cohesion and not just a good song. They have to have a similar tone. They donât have to be the same, but there has to be a similar purpose. I want someone listening to the record to feel like thereâs this cohesion either sonically or lyrically, whatever it is.
With this one, Andy is going to produce one of my records for the first time by himself. Weâve never done that before. Weâve done that with the Christmas record and that sort of thing. But I really felt like these songs were lending themselves to a really stripped down, organic approach. I probably wonât always do that. I like to do the full-band production. Itâs really fun. But this record in particular, the songs seem a bit more mid-tempo. I mean, Iâm not a rock and roll artist, but these songs feel easy, more melodic, more simple. Those are the songs coming out, so I thought we could just do this at home, keep the budget low to do what we want.
I also didnât want to do a Kickstarter this time. Itâs been four years and people were really generous. Iâve even got an e-mail saying, âHey, when is your next Kickstarter?â [Laughs] But I didnât want to do back-to-back albums with Kickstarter. Thereâs nothing wrong with that, but I wanted to be able to pay for it this time. People were so generous, I just didnât feel right about asking twice in a row. So weâll do it at home and keep it in the family and have a bit more control over when it releasesâinstrumentation, budget, and all of that. Itâs turning out really nicely.
That song that you said that you have? What is it about it that doesnât fit?
Well, sonically itâs really different. Itâs a rock song. It was up. It was really pointed, and I just felt like it just didnât fit on this record, which is more songs of encouragement. It didnât sound like it was coming from the same era, because it wasnât. I remember last record talking with Cason about it. We decided the same thing. We thought it would be fun to produce, it sounds great, but it just didnât fit with what I was saying with the rest of my songs. So I feel thatâs okay. It was from a different time. I have to choose whatâs more true for me now and choose the songs accordingly so that I can sing them with authority, with passion, with emotion, and feel like itâs me now.
So what is inspiring you at this point?
I was talking to a friend about this, and it sounds so Hallmark card that Iâm almost hesitant to say it [laughs], but these songs are really about encouragement. For whatever reason, thatâs a role that I have had in the past year or two with friends and family. I feel like Iâve been the beneficiary of that from so many friends and mentors and people that I love. The songs that were coming out were songs saying, âItâs going to be okay.â Thereâs a million songs like that. Itâs not like anybody needs mine, but itâs something we need to hear. Itâs something everybody needs to hear at some point, maybe every day. I donât know.
So those are a lot of the songs. Theyâre songs born out of friendship. Theyâre born out of joy and sorrow and walking with people and people walking with me telling me itâs going to be okay. Thatâs the gist of where a lot of these are coming from.
Thatâs interesting to me since it feels like Andyâs last album is the same way. Several of those tracks are the stories of others, if Iâm correct.
It makes sense. It certainly wasnât intentional. We did write some of the songs together, maybe half or less than half, but it does make sense. Weâve been on that parallel path of finding out whatâs really important. The older we get, we realize itâs the people around us, the community, our church, our neighbors, our friends. The songs come out of that. That feeds the songs. That feeds everything.
This past year, I had friends whoâd gone through really difficult times, friends that have gone through cancer. Itâs been hard stuff. At the same time, thereâs been this richness and beauty where God has met them and me and everyone thatâs involved. Itâs been bittersweet, sad to watch people struggle, sad to watch people die, sad to watch things happen that you donât want to happen to people that you love. At the same time, my faith has been increased a hundredfold.
So thatâs where I want to write. I want to write in that place, the place that a good friend of mine calls the âboth/and.â The honesty of the struggle and the hope. Thatâs the only thing I want to say.