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The Second Muse: Ben Shive


In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, The Cymbal Crashing Clouds, and together they break down his song “The Fire Pit.”


Drew and Ben discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process.



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