The Second Muse

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"There are, it seems, two muses: the Muse of Inspiration, who gives us inarticulate visions and desires, and the Muse of Realization, who returns again and again to say 'It is yet more difficult than you thought.'" - Wendell Berry

It’s easy to romanticize songwriting and record production as a rapturous affair with the Muse of Inspiration, but in reality we face inevitable frustration and disappointment. Ideas don't work, the page remains empty, and songs demand to be something other than what we want them to be. A great song is most often the result not of instantaneous inspiration, but of a long obedience to the call of the song.

This podcast explores artists' and producers' confrontations with the Second Muse and takes a good hard look at how they’ve chosen to contend with her.

Season 1 | Episode 6

“Mercy” (Andrew Osenga)

In this episode, Drew Miller interviews Andrew Osenga about his song, “Mercy.”

Season 1 | Episode 5

“Drink It Down” (The Orchardist)

In this episode, Drew is joined by his bandmate Janie Townsend and engineer Evan Redwine to discuss the making of The Orchardist’s album People, People—specifically the song “Drink It Down.”

Season 1 | Episode 4

“Tomorrow Morning” (Wild Harbors)

Drew is joined by Wild Harbors (Chris and Jenna Badeker) and Andrew Osenga to discuss their song, “Tomorrow Morning.”

Season 1 | Episode 3

“The Fiddler” (Son of Laughter & Ben Shive)

Drew is joined by Chris Slaten (stage name: Son of Laughter) and his producer, Ben Shive, to discuss Slaten’s song, “The Fiddler.”

Season 1 | Episode 2

“Explaining Jesus” (Jordy Searcy & Lucas Morton)

Singer-songwriter Jordy Searcy and producer Lucas Morton discuss the evolution of Jordy’s song, “Explaining Jesus.”

Season 1 | Episode 1

“Maybe Next Year” (Andrew Peterson & Ben Shive)

We discuss the storied evolution of Andrew Peterson’s “Maybe Next Year” from the album Resurrection Letters, Vol. 1.